Personal freedom...I consider to be good, but with freedom comes responsibility.

Pro-Choice Advocate D:

See, and here I thought freedom was a God given RIGHT. Not a privilege to be revoked if you do something someone doesn't like.

Nate:

Doesn't it go without saying that if you just let all the people act against how you feel in a way that affects you without trying to convince them otherwise that you are forfeiting your personal freedom?

Pro-Choice Advocate D:

No. It's called respecting the freedom and decisions of others. Personal freedom isn't about flexing legal muscle to get everything your way. And you're the one who's trying to talk like a spiritualist here. How does someone getting an abortion affect YOU?

Nate:

So, in other words, I shouldn't care about others. If people are killing each other in the next state, who cares unless I go there? I shouldn't care that they kill the guiltless and those that intend no harm?

Pro-Choice Advocate D:

Again you're making the point "abortion is murder" which I don't abide by, try again.

Nate:

Hmm, if you try to point out the ways it's different, I think I can show that those differences are not vital to your belief that murder is wrong.

Pro-Choice Advocate D:

I've said how it's different over and over, if you didn't pay attention tough.

Nate:

These are quotes by you and my answers to them.

"Unborn fetuses are not "people" per-se, any more than a woman's unfertilized eggs are"

This can't be right. Otherwise, how do fetuses become babies when unfertilized eggs don't?

"Well wanna ask the fetus if it wants to be born? Oh yeah, that's right, it doesn't have a brain yet."

No brain? That would be because it's perfectly normal not to have a brain at that point. (It has been brought to my attention that at the fetal stage of development of an unborn child, a brain has formed. I mistakenly reponded to what I thought this person meant to say instead of what the person actually said.)

"something that doesn't exist yet"

Fetuses do exist. I'd hate to think of our mental state if we discussed how to treat what does not exist...

"Okay, when it can live and breathe of its own devices outside of the womb."

So location determines whether you have the right to live? I find that rather arbitrary. This reminds me of someone who loves all animals equally saying it's wrong to shoot a moose cuz you killed it, but it's okay to take a fish out of water since it just dies on its own.

"Pro-Choice Advocate D: Why should the sins of the rapist be held against his victim? That's what you're doing by making the mother go against her wishes, saying, "You got raped, YOU accept the consequences." "why should an innocent woman be "sentenced""

Is she really innocent? She's relatively innocent, but not as innocent as the fetus. She certainly isn't even relatively innocent anymore if she aborts it...

"Do you think anyone who takes a life under any circumstances at all should go to prison? It's a valid argument and applies to this discussion as well."

Someone who purposely takes the life of one who is innocent and intends no harm should go to jail.

"Oppression of who exactly? People of all races and walks of life have abortions, we're hardly only aborting black or Hispanic babies here."

...people of all races and of the first "walk" of life

"You don't miss what you never had"

So murder is just wrong because it takes away what one has previously experienced? Now, how can you take away something that is in the past? I went to church yesterday. Let's assume it was the most awesome church service ever. That experience is gone whether you murder me now or I live to be 100. Instead, I don't want anyone to murder me because next week's service might be awesome again.

"then why does it TAKE nine-months for a child to be born?"

Why does it take 15-20 years to have an adult-sized body? That's how human beings grow.

"Yeah, so what stop that from applying here?"

The fact that there is no significant difference between the fetus and the "person" that I think it is wrong to murder, and if I didn't think that to think otherwise was contradictory, I wouldn't be discussing it.